David Crowley his wife Komel and their daughter, Rani, were found dead in the family’s Apple Valley, Minn., home.
News coming out today of gray state founder and his family (David T. Crowley, 29; his wife, Komel Crowley, 28, and their 5-year-old daughter, Rani.) being found murdered today has set me on a thought spree that I want to share with people. Personally I do not believe the initial reports of murder-suicide. Most people we consider those being awake to rights, police state, and subversion of gooberment control are not the type of people I see killing their families and themselves. Most of these people are the type that revel in respecting others rights. Fight for those rights, and live for exposing those who violate …..
That being said. Many others who have been active in a modern day revolution, Free, and crazy as they are. Work very hard to further the cause of freedom, and tirelessly work for others. Our lives are already bad enough because of the state. We have no reason to kill our loved ones. Broken by the state. We know we are already dead, and in slavery, ending it all or jumping the fence seems like the easy way out….
With may prominent people from Breitbart, who suffered a heart attack, To other movie actors and directors, who had something to say about the world they lived in. DYING……. ALL UNDER TIMELY DEATHS….
(PEOPLE RELATING INFORMATION TO THE WORLD FROM THE THINGS THEY KNEW) I fear my predictions of this war coming home is true….
The movie, that they were to release, was based on real events taking place in America TODAY. Plans for the society we fell asleep to, and allowed for controllers to take against us. Gray state was tackling everything from RFID to Martial law. Everything that was not American (an ideal of freedom, and we the people losing it).
As I’ve been saying for years on social media. The WAR IS COMING HOME. There are so many levels of people gone. DEAD, from bankers to activist that should be telling a different story. I bet that it is not the one being given to the public.
What they have been doing at Gray state, was building a response. Crowd-funded to build a movie. Telling the average American how their lives were being enslaved. Sold, and legislated away from them. To the point of modern day history of how freedom became complacent, to a place where we did not have control of our lives. Does that seem like a person who would lose control, and kill their family.? No matter who they say did this…..?
I for one am not scared of a free people. I choose first a free life, and even if it is dangerous. I prefer that over peaceful security and a police state, that constantly continues to build around us…. I am at complete peace with that.
Maybe we should be causing scenes at our state houses, in their offices. Maybe we should be doing all we can to raise the awareness of the shit storm that is coming our way. Why NOT, History tells us time and again the measure a man will go to, to bind your freedoms. Why shouldn’t it be here? In America again……
I have done my best to shake hands with so many Walkers.( people who just don’t talk about it, they walk about it…) Most of them I would trust my family with. A free modern people who love life, and FIGHT FOR IT. I know very few I distance myself from.
I for one will never be killing my family or myself. We should all say this publicly. I cherish life and thoroughly enjoy messing up the plans of controllers. Loving them to see what improvisation has.
In the coming days, I’m sure we will see more evidence of today’s find. I for one will believe in that path we all strive for. Though I took a breath, like all of you did. I will not fall back because of what is being said. our lives, thoughts, and actions are way too important to be stopped by a very sad tragedy…… rest their souls. I know they fought our fight. I don’t believe that which is being said so far……
Be that what it is……. freedom in America. It’s not a law. It’s an idea. That idea is growing, and you can’t stop it. I believe in freedom. No matter who falls……. COME AND TAKE IT!
By Matthew Short
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anastasia157
This quoted from a newspaper account:
Crowley’s father, Daniel, who lives in Owatonna, Minn., said he hadn’t heard from his son and daughter-in-law over the holidays.
“We tried,” he said in a brief telephone interview. (Anastasia comments: The father “tried”? Tried what? Did they even bother to go over there to see their granddaughter for Christmas?)
Prochnow said he assumed the Crowleys had gone out of town for awhile. He shoveled their driveway a couple of times, even though they usually did it themselves.
When Prochnow and his wife returned from an out-of-town visit, he noticed packages had piled up on the front stoop. Shortly after 12:30 p.m. Saturday, he walked next door to take the packages to his home and GLANCED in the LARGE front window. (Anastasia comments: I would like to know how long the Prochnow’s were on an “out of town visit”)
“To me, they just didn’t look human,” Prochnow said. (Anastasia comments: Maybe they weren’t)
“HE CAME HOME AND SAID THERE WERE DUMMIES (MANNIQUINS) ON THE FLOOR. AND A GUN, hi wife, Judy added. (Anastasia comments: Mr. Prochnow seemed sure enough about that to tell his wife. He did not say they looked like dummies, he told his wife they WERE dummies. With the garage sale Crowley had in September and his wife quitting her job around the same time, it sounds as if they were people planning on “moving.”)
Judy Prochnow said another neighbor had commented to her about the CURTAINS AT THE CROWLEY’S HOME BEING WIDE OPEN, WHEN, USUALLY, THEY WERE CLOSED. (Anastasia comments: A wide open large front window and all it took was a “glance” from the neighbor to see the “dummies” or “mannequin” on the floor. Just a glance into a Large Front window. Yet, the brother missed it? What did the brother do? Knock once, and drop the gifts on the steps with nary a glance?)
But neither the Prochnows nor Alice and Bill Hixson, who live across the street, heard any gunshots or a dog barking, they said. (Anastasia comments: Dog never barked in all that month, even though he was probably a bit hungry and thirsty, and we already know the dog was aggravated enough for the police to call in a dog collector.)
Real estate records show the Crowleys bought the house in December 2013. (Anastasia comments: Neither Crowley or his wife had an income in December 2013 – how did they buy a house?)
jsigur
good analysis and keep me posted with anything you continue to find’Leave it under my article 🙂 in comments http://blindlight.org/index.php/component/k2/item/46-gray-state-psyop
jsigur
http://blindlight.org/index.php/component/k2/item/46-gray-state-psyop
my take is the whole thing is a disinfo psyop
anastasia157
Yes, I am coming to believe it may be.
anastasia157
What is certain is that the government DID NOT murder him. That is not a reasonable inference. He, like so many men in the military who cannot cope with civilian life (after being made killing machines for no good reason), murdered his family and took his own life, or the whole thing is a fake. I am inclined to believe the former, because all his actions after he left the military was to perpetuate his experience in the military with fighting, guns, eg. training “actors” how to use weapons (he used real military weapons in his actor training business) and his militaristic movie (I’m surprised the government did not send him a thank you note for his efforts to psychologically terrorize people like the government loves to do us themselves), but I will lift every stone to see what else may be there – if this thing is just another fake. (There have been alot of fake spectacles since the government passed that law allowing them to use false propaganda on the American public.) Further, one could view the Crowley family’s actions in the months before the murder/suicide as a family who was planning on moving, eg. liquidating his props from his movie prop business and actor training business; having a large advertised yard sale at his house; his wife quitting her job, the appearance that he was breaking ties with this collaborators and abandoning his movie plans. Further, the behavior of the surviving members of the family after the murder/suicide is nothing short of bizarre. No guilt, or grief or shock seemed to interfere with the family getting the brainstorm to set up a 6 million dollar fundraiser website (with monies to be used for the family) within 24 hours of these nothing-short-of horrendous deaths.
jsigur
if you can write me up your synopsis on the money thing I will add it when you got it and anything else.The good thing about having your own site is you can upgrade shit after publishing. I tend to release an article after 3 proof readings or so and have smoothed it out and update it constantly for the next 2 or three days, sometimes doubling the content and major graphics changes
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wiggity
There are plenty of other filmmakers…ones that actually have made films, not just hopefuls..that have made plenty of films that are anti-establishment. They’re still alive. This guy was basically a nobody at this point. He wasn’t Michael Moore or Deep Throat or a whistleblower. He was just a dude from Owatonna, Minnesota who had dreams of hitting the bigtime in the movie biz…a tough, tough biz to make it in. He had been to L.A. a couple of months before, trying to get someone to buy his script. Maybe he couldn’t handle the rejection anymore. In all honesty, based on the interviews I saw with the neighbors who actually knew this guy, he sounded more like Robert Deniro in Taxi Driver than anything else, cutting his hair into a mohawk and wearing fatigues all the time in the months leading up to this. I know this doesn’t bode well for the conspiracy theorists. They want to believe EVERYTHING is suspect. But sometimes….most of the time…it isn’t. Sometimes it’s just a guy who did the unthinkable….killed his little girl, his wife and himself. He’s no martyr….he’s just a murderer. Why is this so hard to believe when we see this kind of thing all the time? Who knows what happened. It could be any number of things. Maybe he was having financial difficulties. Maybe he had a substance abuse issue. Maybe he discovered his wife was having an affair. Maybe he was a closeted abuser whose wife had had enough and was threatening to leave. They were found by the front door, afterall. Or maybe he had a mental illness that had gone unchecked and untreated and worse.
It’s not that I don’t believe nefarious things happen. They do. I just don’t believe that is the case with this guy, all over a fictional story that hadn’t even been made. The bottom line is this is a huge tragedy for their families and his victims. But he chose this path, and I feel basically no sympathy for him.
anastasia157
He could not get the film off the ground. His collaborator, Danny August Moon, took down his website, and made his last twitter comment in July 2013. He was given $67,500 to make the trailer probably from the “right wing.” . He had no money to finish the film and lost his backers. With no prospects to finish the film (even if it were anti-establishment enough to worry anyone), and could not be considered a threat by anyone. A more likely scenario, albeit probably not true either, is that he himself was working for the military, assigned to take down names of “right wing terrorists”, and since everyone lost interest in the film, he had no more names to take down. Time to take his death. He was 5 years in the military, in Iraq and Afganistan, and stationed near Waco in Texas. I don’t call that patriotism. I call that a career. No family member seemed to be concerned enough to call the police when they were missing for four weeks, especially over the Christmas holiday. And what about the girl’s school. She was not in school for at least two weeks. What about the dog? How come he did not starve? No man or animal can live without food for four weeks.
wiggity
I think the more likely scenario is that he put everything he had into this project, believing it to be better than it really was, and when it became clear that Hollywood wasn’t calling to make this an actual film, he became despondent (as friends have claimed), withdrawn (as friends and family have claimed), depressed and ultimately suicidal…taking his wife and child with him. Or perhaps he was a paranoid schizophrenic whose illness was just surfacing over the months leading up to this. Or bi-polar. Or borderline. Without psychiatric evaluations, it’s hard to say, but I truly believe the answer lies in a mental deterioration. And I do not believe for one second that his wife was a willing participant. She lived a life of mind/body wellness, and her personality comes through very clear in her website. I don’t buy for a minute that someone who embraces wellness would take a bullet in her brain or allow one into her child’s brain to go along with a troubled spouse. I do find it interesting that they were by the front door. Maybe she was threatening to leave him. Maybe she knew something was wrong, and he refused to get help, and because of his mental state could not let her go. For all anyone knows, he had it planned for awhile. We’ll never know. But I cannot abide the crazy conspiracy theories on here. This guy was nobody. No threat. The film had never even been made! And it was fictional! He wasn’t a spy, Deep Throat, a whistleblower. He was a guy who wanted to be a filmmaker. Wanted to make it big in Hollywood. Probably believed his “work” to be better than it actually was. I’m so sick of extremists who refuse to accept that all their tales are just that….tales. it’s not that I don’t believe that things like this happen. Sure they do. But not EVERYTHING is a big, deep, scary plot. Some things are just what they are….tragic circumstances. Murders. Suicides.
One thing I am grateful is that I’m not one of these people. Because it really would be a total drag to go through life so paranoid all the time. What a burden to carry. Ugh.
anastasia157
His wife was highly unlikely to have committed suicide. That is ridiculous, I agree. If you look on her linked site she says that she started her career as a dietician trying to help the “mental imbalances” of members of her family, and at that time she could not have been writing about her one year old child.
anastasia157
I am 100 percent in agreement. There is no way anyone would “need” to kill an unsuccessful wannabe movie producer from Minnesota, whose movie trailer does not in my opinion look professional or even that interesting. Furthermore, he spoke of the right wing as if they were his stooges. He told a friend, “I found my “niche” for the movie in some portion of society whose name he did not mention.. He meant that this segment of society is where he e thought he would get his money backing, but the “right wing” has been disenfranchised, and the vast majority of them have no money.
wiggity
AGREE!!!!!! For anyone to suggest this little unmade film was fodder for the big guns is just so laughable! I can think of at least 10 movies right here and now that were anti-establishment and TRUE that have been both made and successful, and you don’t see any of those people lying dead with their wife and kid. He was a nobody and no threat to anybody but his family.
anastasia157
I have not seen any movies the government would not want us to see. Which ones are you referring to. Take a look at this new law that passed in 2013. Do people realize its importance, I wonder. http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/07/15/us-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-americans
wiggity
There’s actually a ton of movies out there that could be considered anti-establishment in some form or another. “THX 1138” is not that dissimilar to what this Gray State sounds like as far as depicting citizens living under extreme oppression. George Lucas actually produced that one. And there’s even more documentaries.
anastasia157
Hmm. I’ll have to see that one. Well, I do not think the gov’t would not want us to see Crowley’s movie. They have whittled down our constitutional rights after the WTC,(the effects of which we have yet to fully experience), put soldiers with machine guns on the streets of NYC, who are still there, so the gov’t intrusion is something they do wish us to experience and get used to, like frogs submerged in water that is being slowly heated up. Most seem very willing to surrender their rights in the name of security. No, I do not think the gov’t would be opposed to Crowley’s message as it can be used as a basis of comparison so that we can say to ourselves, “well, “things aren’t as bad, after all.” One would have had to have lived more than 100 years with all their cognitive powers to experience the alarm that comes from from our present state.
anastasia157
Most of these vets have done multiple tours of duty and are on some type of psychotropic drug which eventually literally blows their minds. Chris Kyle (“Sniper”) did four tours, never adjusted to civilian life and was telling all sorts of crazy stories. It’s very sad. They turn these guys (especially the special forces) into killing machines and then dump them back in civilian life for which they are no longer suited.
wiggity
If you’d like to read some interesting stuff, go to a guy on Facebook’s profile named David Kirk West in Medord, Oregon. He’s a filmmaker who knew David Crowley. He posted several things about this, including a statement that David’s oldest and one of his closest friends made about it. Just keep going down his page and you’ll find it. It pretty much says it all about why he did this. This David Kirk West also posts some things he saw on David Crowley’s page, which I also saw when I looked at it, that were some weird random posts in the fall.
anastasia157
This friend sounds kind of emotional and dopey. Yet, the brilliant David Crowley hung out with him? I wonder what rank the brilliant Crowley held in the military. I was not impressed with Crowley. My impression was that he was just using the kind of people who protest over Bilderburg meetings and secret Masonic ritualistic practices in order to finance his movie. And these people who put such import into secret Masonic practices are the kind of people who wish to be in the know about the “secret” practices of the Masons or what is going on at Bildeburger meetings, but have a hard time seeing what is in front of their noses. Crowley’s friend says he became depressed over “conspiracy theorists” who talk about Bildeburger meetings and Masonic rituals and suggests that maybe Crowley became depressed too? This sounds like alot of nonsense, and if true, then certainly Crowley was not as smart as his friend says. To me, it did not sound like Crowley was buying into this stuff at all, but it did sound like he wanted to capitalize on it and use such people in order to make his movie. Crowley said he found his “niche” in these people for the movie. That could mean that he found his audience for the movie, or it could mean that he found his financing for the movie. In calling them his “niche”, he also suggests that he doesn’t consider himself one of them.
jsigur
also, the ppl interviewed such as Jones, Kokesh, Rudkowsky, Dice, martin are all kosher conspiracy theorists who support each other and I consider them all agents for the JWO- the teaser before any work was done, is that normal?
jsigur
Crowley was probably a front man following orders
jsigur
If you want, write me a long comment or email me everything you got and I will publish it. My specialty is disinfo agents and false flag detection admin@blindlight.org
anastasia157
https://www.gofundme.com/kjrrqw/ This is what I find really interesting about Crowley and this family. The family didn’t bother to find out where he was over Christmas and for almost a month thereafter, but start up a fund asking people for donations as soon as they find the rotting bodies. In my opinion, this family, like Crowley, has also found their “niche” in the people who protest Bildeburger meetings and Masonic ritualistic practices. Do you see the heading on this fund site.. They received $6,000 out of the $6,000,0000 they are looking for. They are actually looking for these dopes to give them $6,000,000. That is why I am suspicious of Crowley. Why would this family expect people to donate money to them because Crowley killed himself and his whole family? They are capitalizing on this “government killed Crowley” story. The people who are saying the government killed him are the target audience for this family seeking donations. They expect donations from these people, because they, like Crowley, have found their “niche” in these people – people who are foolish enough to believe Crowley was one of them. For God’s sake, Crowley’s being in the military for 5 years tells you that he was NOT one of them.
wiggity
I saw his brother interviewed on TV up here, and he came across to me as a very decent person. I think you’re taking the gofundme website the wrong way. It was actually set up by his brother and friends to help her father and mother. Here the mother is in the hospital with cancer, and now she’s lost her daughter and granddaughter. I think the $6 million was either a typo or they just threw some total out there which they’d love to get for them, but realize they never will. The family didn’t not care about him….they tried to reach him. His brother even went over and left Christmas packages on his doorstep. I think they were just used to seeing this kind of behavior where he would isolate himself and withdraw for a time period. I think it’s important to remember they are innocent people who are also victims in this such as his friends and family. I don’t think they deserve to be made out to be bad guys when in reality they’re just sad people who lost someone they love. I don’t even know who all these “Masonic ritual” people are, and I don’t want to from the sounds of it. I find extremism in any form to be troubling. It just leads to bad things.
anastasia157
There is absolutely no basis for the family to set up a website asking for money for the mother-in law’s health care. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It is unseemly and there is no excuse for it. I may as well set one up for myself and ask people for money so that I can pay for a motorized wheelchair with four wheel drive. They are capitalizing on a tragedy. That is an exact and accurate description of what they are doing. This website for funds was set up within 24 hours of their finding the rotting bodies of the daughter, granddaughter and son in law. That’s mighty fast thinking for what should be a family not only in shock, but wholly grief-stricken – every one of them. And if this is “normal” mindset of people today in measuring “decency,” then I am glad I am elderly and wiil not be here for much longer. Nor can you say that their goal of 6M is a type. Tere is no evidence to say it is a mistake. It clearly says 6M, i.e. that they collected over 6,000 toward the 6M. The 6M is the goal they hope to reach with their fundraising. All fundraising efforts have a stated goal. Theirs is 6 million dollars. .
I find it more than peculiar for the brother to go to Crowley’s door and leave presents at the doorstep, and peculiar still that they were not concerned about him over Christmas and for a month thereafter, for we are not only speaking about him, but a granddaughter, as well. We do not ignore our grandchildren on Christmas, or fail to contact grandchildren over Christmas in consideration of the moodiness of the father. Frankly, had I called that home, I would have left a message that I wish to speak to my granddaugter to wish her a Merry Christmas and find out if she received and liked my gifts to her, and I would inform my son or son in law that he must put aside his moodiness to allow me to speak to her, and if he still did not answer, I would know to be alarmed, alarmed enough to do something because his conduct is as abnormal as it is cruel. And frankly, why didn’t the brother look in the window, like the neighbors, to determine i they were home, for if he did, he would have seen the bodies for the bodies were in full view of the window. The passivity of that family is peculiar in light of their later activism in setting up a website. And who is the target audience for these funds? Is it the people who believe that he killed his family and then murdered himself? Why would anyone who believed that give money to that fund? Crowley killed the daughter of the woman who is asking for funds!! Did she set up the fund, or was it her children, or Crowley’s brothers? The target audience for the funds are more likely the people who are saying he was killed by the government. They are the people who would be more likely to donate to that fund. Yuck. I will tell you another peculiar thing about this case. Crowley and his wife bought a house in January 2014 when things, according to their friends, were spiraling down, as far as the movie was concerned. A friend was quoted that he was out of money at that time. The purchase of the house in January 2014 is on Zillow and other real estate sites. This house was purchased three months after Komel quit her job and went into business for herself, and if you take a look at her business website, you will see in short order that she had no business. Crowley himself did not have a job either. His friend said they had no more money to make the movie and lost his original backers. What I want to know is how they got either the money to buy that house or the mortgage from a bank to buy a $219,000 house in January 2014 with neither spouse earning income and who had no job. What bank would take such a risk? And with no income coming into that house, why in the world would the wife quit her job? As far as “extremism” is concerned, you can turn a blind’s eye to facts you do not wish to know, but the Masons do engage in secret ritualistic practices. That is a fact. They engage in worship rituals, but it is not worship of the Triune God, but some other entity. You can draw inferences from that or you do not draw inferences, as you choose.. The Masons themselves turn a blind’s eye to these things as well. They do not see the wrongness of it. To operate in secret is intrinsically wrong. To engage in a ritualistic worship of an entity who is not the Christian God is considered wrong by any knowledgeable Christian, but we have alot of unknowledgeable Christians living today, and so for them, it woulld be meaningless like it is meaningless to so may Masons. Are those dopes being influenced by their organization? Of course they are, but I do not speculate upon what the Masons are doing in their secret meetings or what their agenda is. I have enough to be alarmed about when they act as individuals in front of my nose. Worrying about the Masons is not “extremism”, it is simply speculative thinking that cannot be taken into a court of law and proven. In other words, it is an effort in futility and a waste of our time. I find this “Mason” talk and this “illuminati” talk extremely annoying.
wiggity
I’m sure part of the reason they want to help her mother and father is because they feel so bad about what their brother/son did to them. They’re just trying to help them out at a very bad time in their lives, and I don’t blame them. I’d help them, too. People make gofundmes about all sorts of things. I’d rather see something like this than some of the other things I’ve seen. It’s not like they’re trying to raise money for, say, a new house for them. They’re raising money to help pay for her cancer treatments, which are very costly. I truly believe that he just threw an amount out there, not seriously thinking they will get that amount. Even if they did, I wouldn’t have a problem with it because donating is a voluntary act. If someone doesn’t want to do it, they won’t. If they feel it is a worthy cause, they will. It’s not like anyone is being forced to do it. The only ones truly capitalizing on this tragedy are all the conspiracy theorist wack job extremists that want to take the deaths of people they didn’t even know and make the guy who did it out to be some kind of political martyr. In the end, it’s just your run-of-the-mill suicide/murders that happens all the time. Unfortunately. The guy wasn’t a threat to anyone except his wife and kid. So I say if they think he was a poor victim, then why shouldn’t any of them step up to the plate and help the family since he was so unjustly assassinated? But the reality is that most of them would never do anything to help out…they just want to bitch about it on the internet.
anastasia157
There is something very “off” in a family who sets up a $6,000,000 fundraising effort in an almost immediate response to what happened. Let’s forget about grief for a moment and just consider their shock at hearing the news. They came out of shock rather quickly, don’t you think?. You believe that this does not tell you anything about them or the incident itself – that all of it is appropriate and normal. I rest my case on those who do not think it is a “normal” or an appropriate response to what they just learned. I rest my case on those who think it is inappropriate and peculiar. I also find it interesting that the neighbor told his wife that there were “dummies” in the house with a gun next to them. He did not tell his wife that he “thought” it was dummies. He told her it was dummies. I also find it peculiar that one of the neighbors said that they always had the shades of the front large picture window drawn when they were in the house, but when he killed his wife and his baby, he did it in front of a large picture window at one of the only times that the shades were not drawn.
jsigur
exactly, seems psyop and Mason brings it up every interview. I think they are alive and that’s why they pretended to kill them all, to keep the family together
anastasia157
The actions of the family in the months before the murder/suicide suggest a family that was “moving.” He liquidated his business; he was dumping his friends and collaborators on the movie; he had a big yard sale at his house in September which was advertised; his wife quit her job even though she was the sole source of income in the family.
jsigur
when this 1st broke I said, verify the 1st witness credibility and if that is at all peculiar we all know about cooprdinated masonic coverups in cases like this. Obviously 911 for starters
anastasia157
In my opinion, the witness is credible. Those bodies had to have been in a terrible state if the heat was on. Don’t you think it is odd that the lights were on and the shades of the picture window (that everyone who is dropping off presents had to walk in front of) were wide open and the bodies in direct view of the picture window. The neighbor said that the shades were invariably drawn before that night. That means that while he was in the house and not shooting his family, he kept the shades drawn, but the night he decided to shoot everyone in his whole family, he opened the shades of the picture window for all the world to see. The brother came over with presents, and said he believed his brother was “isolating himself again”, but with the shades so uncharacteristically wide open, the brother must have had a little cognitivie dissonance about the inferences he was drawing. The shades were wide open of the big picture window that he had to walk pass to knock on the door, but that did not even tempt him to take a peek in to see if they were home. Had he done so, the bodies would have been there for him to see very plainly, like the neighbor saw them when he “glanced” in the big wide open picture window and saw them.
jsigur
Well, if the house is locked and the guy sees 3 bodies-dummies and goes to call 911, this where a Sandy Hook occasion can occur. It is unlikely a neighbor is going to break into a house when he sees what he assumes to be three bodies but rather would call the police. If the whole movie thing is a psyop, you have to assume till proven otherwise that the killings, including two people David loved dearly was a psyop as well. What I am coming to learn is nothing is as it seems when the political gets involved
anastasia157
The conspiracy theorists are making no money. The family however is pulling in $1,000 per day. When you speak about “capital”, you are talking about $$$. Every word as a definition. Capitalizing concerns “money.”
The fund is now at $7,500, and they’ve only been dead a little more than one week. Incidentally, if I were one of those family members, I would feel a little sheepish and guilty that the newspapers published that their bodies were found rotting one month after they died. I would feel some guilt over that. What if your mother were dead in her home for one month before anyone found her, and that was published in the newspapers, along with your name as her daughter, who lived in the very next town. And I think it is also a little peculiar that the brother would draw the inference when he went over there that Crowley was “isolating” himself . The neighbors said that the family always kept the shades on the front picture window drawn, but on the day they were found dead, , the shades were all open, and were open on the large front picture window and their dead bodies were in full view of that window. We also know from that that when the brother was over there and drew the inference that they were “isolating” themselves, the shades on all the windows and especially on the large picture window in front of the house were also wide open. We know this because they were already dead when he went over there. Had he “glanced” in, he would have saw all the dead bodies which were in full view of that large open window, and their being “open” was wholly out of character for Crowley. Yet, the brother thought “isolation?” How odd that Crowley would kill them in front of a large open picture window. You would think that a mentally depressed person who had financial worries about how he was going to support his family, would shoot his little child that he loved not in front of a large open picture window, but perhaps while she was sleeping in her bed, or some other place not near the large open picture window facing the front of the house.
anastasia157
Look what everyone who dropped off gifts had to pass. They had to pass right next to that large picture window with the shades wide open and the bodies in direct view of that window (according to the neighbor). Why would the brother draw the inference that Crowley was isolating himself ….again, when the shades were so uncharacteristically wide open at the time he went to the house around Christmas. It was not like Crowley to keep the shades open. The neighbor said they were always closed.
jsigur
they said they already owe 5 million so they are getting treatment.We supposed to fund hospitals now?
anastasia157
I do not believe the 5 million figure for one minute, unless she was going to a place like MD Anderson in Texas, which is experimental and on the cutting edge with cancer. However, I happen to know as a fact that MD Anderson WILL NOT TAKE YOU, unless you have the coverage. Why? Because it is not necessary treatment being given there. It is beyond what is medically necessary. Furthermore, hospitals treating those with no health insurance and with low or no income, will wipe the slate clean if you have low income (even when you own a house). All you have to do is sign a statement that you do not have the money to pay the bill and they will wipe it out and put it on their tax forms as an uncollected debt. They do it all the time. There is absolutely no reason for this family to gratuitiously collect money for health bills that the family ultimately will never have to pay. However, they will have to pay these bills if they collect their goal of $6,000,000.
jsigur
http://blindlight.org/index.php/component/k2/item/49-david-crowley-conspiracy-theorist-and-did-he-die- feel free to add stuff if you want
wiggity
Actually…..no. Donating to any cause is completely voluntary. If you don’t want to donate to a cause…..don’t. If you do…do. It’s really that simple. If, however, you have a problem with other people donating to causes that you don’t want to donate to, with money that belongs to them and not you and that really isn’t your business one way or the other, then perhaps you have bigger personal issues to sort out with yourself.
jsigur
Actually, I could not care that my fellow goy are getting scammed once again but I do
wiggity
But you do what? You said, “I could not care that my fellow goy are getting scammed once again but I do”. Do what? Care? Then why did you A) Say that you don’t care and B) Make any comment at all about their gofundme? I mean, if you don’t care, why waste time posting comments?
jsigur
I agree, that statement didn’t make any sense. Setting up a go-fund me site before the body is in the ground and do we even know there’s a body, is a bit premature don’t you think. Look, you obviously don’t see the Jew behind the curtain so there’s no point in continuing this discussion. I think this whole thing is a hoax, Obviously, ppl can use or not use go -fundme sites all they want but I’m saying this is part of the “Gray State Psyop” . You sound like one of those who thinks Sandy Hook actually happened as reported. If that is so, no point talking to you anymore. Osama bin laden was a CIA agent right up to 911-he died in 2001. If none of this makes sense to you, there’s no point in continuing because my language has transcended your ability to compute- follow?
wiggity
I don’t have time for ugly people like you. Ugly thoughts..ugly deeds. You’re paranoid, bigoted, hateful, distasteful, gullible, weird, mentally unstable and just plain stupid. Go fornicate yourself, suck balls and then get some help…before we’re all reading a story about YOU. Buh bye, LOSER!!!!!!!! LOL. What a freakin’ nut job.
jsigur
you clearly have time, lol! You are taking this case way too personal, lol!
jsigur
https://www.facebook.com/graystatetherise
the top four links are requests to go the donation page- seem a little obsessed to you, maybe- this is a family matter after all and nothing to do with the movie, you would think, right? You goy like being played don’t ya
wiggity
A certain widdle gwouchy bear needs to go take another hit off his crack pipe.
jsigur
your the one that’s obsessed as I notice reading your obsession with supposedly obsessed ppl, oh, but right, you are getting paid!
wiggity
There’s medication out there that can help with your paranoia. Take advantage of it.
jsigur
what I have a problem with nag bones, is ppl asking the public to give and then being pissed off when they want to know why does this family deserve such a public reaction to give to a grandma that apparently the kids wouldn’t even talk to because she decided to use chemo- Why don’t you actually learnm a little about the case and get your thumb out of your ass!
jsigur
So, you are a brother and on the 17th, you find out David committed suicide and on the 20th before there is even a funeral, you set up a go-fundme site? Who other than Sandy Hook parents does something like that?
jsigur
Why are you their advocates. Oh yeah, you got a personal interest that isn’t being admitted to here with your comments
jsigur
they are playing the dumb goyim like in Sandy Hook and because there is no connection and Crowley did a dastardly thing killing his family leaving the mom to fend for herself, they are playing on ppl’s belief it is a conspiracy though they don’t say it is
anastasia157
Yes. They are “capitalizing” on the murder/suicide, as well as the “conspiracy theorists” who believe the gov’t killed him.
anastasia157
Take a look at what they bought when they had no money. http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1051-Ramsdell-Dr-Apple-Valley-MN-55124/1586460_zpid/
Phoenix
That house is not over the top or anything, pretty basic place. I do think asking for 6 million for personal use is a little crazy though.
anastasia157
the house was bought by the Crowley’s before their deaths. It was bought when they had no money and had no income from any job. The wife had quit her job some weeks or months before they bought the house, and the husband’s movie making and backers were long gone before they bought this house. The house is quite nice, but I highly doubt a bank would give those two a mortgage if they had no income. The fundraising website was set up in the hours after the Crowley’s death by the other members of the Crowley family. The fundraising goal is to collect $6,000,000 for the mother in law of Crowley who is dying of cancer and has no health insurance, She needs $6,000,000 to pay her health care costs. In Obama land where health insurance is mandatory under penalty of law, I find it hard to believe that she has no health insurance. but even if she doesn’t have health insurance, Hospitals and doctors are known to wipe your debt to them out upon your signing an affidavit or ordinary statement that you h ave no income or no money. They usually require no proof of that, only your signed statement. With that, the hospitals get to take it off their income tax return as an uncollected debt, and you do not have to pay them, so the truth of the matter is that this family does not need money for health care bills.
jsigur
further proof of masonic manipulation behind the scenes
anastasia157
http://youtu.be/cNjbEQsqpR8 Where did he get all these guns. That is live ammunition they are firing. What is the gun law in Minnesota? He looks like he “loved” his time in the army. Look at his moves. I’ve met a few men who went to Afganistan and/or Iraq. It worried them that they were starting to enjoy the killing they were doing. We bombed the Flintstones in Afganistan for 58 days straight. We bombed this country to smitherines because they did not turn over Osama bin Laden to us, and on each bomb we wrote the foulest language.. Osama bin Laden was supposed to be hiding in the hills, but instead, we bombed towns, cities and villages with no indoor plumbing. We say we were there looking for Osama bin Laden, and we trying to find all those cities he carved out of mountains, as Cheney described to us on television, but a British vet said that all they found when they looked in those mountains were a few Afghani shepards. Looks like Crowley very much enjoyed his killing tours.
jsigur
by the way, Muslims had nothing to do with 911 except for to play patsys. Osama Bin Laden was a trusted CIA agent getting mediacal help in America right before 911- he actually died of kidney failure in Dec, 2001
jsigur
if you look into real history you will know almost all the problems we have been having, revolutions, wars,world wars are associated with talmudic supremacist elite Jews and their communist lower Jew cronies. Judaism is in reality a secret society, always has been for 2000 years
jsigur
lol, you gots to be from that hickville state, Minnesota to be so offended that a puiblic personality is getting scrutinized
anastasia157
Under what color of right does this family have in seeking donations and even having the nerve to set up a fund goal of $6,000,000? They say they are doing this for the mother who is “dying of cancer.” A elderly woman who is “dying of cancer” needs $6,000,000 dollars? And this doesn’t sound stinky-poo to anyone? What does a dying woman (in a land where you must have health insurance) need $6,000,000 for? Hospice care in a mansion in Palm Beach, complete with pool, golf course and servants? I suppose that In the family’s “grief”, this fund idea, as well as the fund’s goal of $6,000,000 came to them like an epiphany.
jsigur
Who is paying you again?
wiggity
Oh…one other thing. My friend’s dog was missing for a few weeks and was found in a neighbor’s garage who was out of town. It was hungry, thirsty and such, but it was still alive…and this was in the summer!!! You can’t base anything on the dog being there. It just is what it is.
anastasia157
What you say is perhaps true, but the dog would have had to find food somewhere because we know for a fact that he killed them before Christmas, i.e. Dec. 17 and they were not found until Jan 17. .
wiggity
Who knows….as gruesome as this sounds, maybe he ate them.
anastasia157
That did cross my mind as well. Strange that in January 2014 he bought that house (unless someone else bought it and they rented from them) and his wife left her job shortly before or after then, when their movie hopes were spiraling down and they needed money most. The back sliding door was unlocked and ajar. How was the weather in mid-December?
anastasia157
I agree with you. No one killed him, of that I am certain. They bought their house in January 2014. His wife left her job and went into business for herself (a business that was going nowhere if you look at her website) at that time. They should have been having big money problems by January 2014. Yet, it appears that they bought a house and his wife quit her job. I say “quit” because that is what a co-worker said in an interview. I read all the interviews, and I read no where that anyone said he was “depressed.” They said the opposite. Perhaps what you are saying is that he should have been depressed bcause he was losing his backers, etc. Yet, still, what you say could be true. I believe yours is the more likely scenario, but I am keeping my antennae up for another government agent hoaxster.
wiggity
I don’t know if you live here in the twin cities, but I saw a news story on one of the stations where one of his friends, and an actor in that trailer about the film he made, said that in the months leading up to this (probably after he went to L.A.), he had started to withdraw and become despondent about the fact that the project had lost steam. He also said that his family wasn’t really close. I also saw a news story yesterday where his brother said that both his family and his friends had started to become worried and were about to reach out to one another. I guess he had done things like this before….withdrawn from others and not returned phone calls, etc., so at first they didn’t think too much about it, but they all were clearly on the verge of doing something when this was discovered. The fact that they’d seen behavior like this before makes me feel that though I’m sure they’re certainly shocked and horrified, his family probably knew that he was someone who wasn’t just the cheerful, happy-go-lucky guy some describe him as. He had his problems. Obviously bigger than they even could predict.
anastasia157
One of the brother said something to the effect of his withdrawals into the house. The brother leaving presents on the stoop says as much. Well, if you live there, you would be getting more news on the subject than myself. . He certainly should have been depressed after spending so much energy and time (four years) on that silly movie and getting no where. Further, gratuitiously and voluntarily spending five years in the military in both Afghanistan and Iraq is not exactly a guarantee of either soundness of mind or peace of soul.
anastasia157
Odd that he would buy that house in January 2014 and that his wife would leave her job at a time when they need money the most.
Octopus Out of Control
Hmmm… I don’t think the government kills random conspiracy theorists. Like, if this dude had a picture of, like, Eric Prince, or perhaps Steven Spielberg, getting it on with a donkey, then maybe I could see him getting killed.
Phoenix
Such a simple cover up..
GodsHolyTrousers
Assassines…