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Andre' Gabriel Esparza

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  1. 7

    On Its Own Merits

    Got any evidence of any of this kickback stuff?

  2. 6

    Andrew Lazarus

    The Liberty movement should be careful about looking like free riders on other people’s vaccinations.

  3. 5

    Diet dee

    Hopefully another large clinic will take them and we can compare vaxxed and unvaxxed

      1. 5.1.1

        Diet dee

        thanks for homework
        here is something on shedding
        http://www.eurosurveillance.org/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=19652

          1. 5.1.1.1.1

            Diet dee

            Im not afraid of shedding But it is possible to spread the disease in this fashion. So dont be so quick to blame anti vaxxers. Most outbreak in the USA come from overseas,the last Disney outbreak was from the Philippines. Not alot of international travel to Mississippi. The tap water smells like a swam. It also ranked 49th in health with a high premature death rate!!
            http://www.americashealthrankings.org/MS

          2. One other person is typing.

            So….you’re so ashamed of being a potential disease vector that you have to blame shedding – which if that was probable….you’d see the correlation I mentioned. By the way, people do know about shedding and do take precautions. Same as possibility for infection at injection site. For chickenpox – this can be prevented by such simple procedures as “cleaning the skin first” and “putting a plaster on afterwards.” Really not a hard concept.

            Not sure why you’re telling me about the premature death rate which I know about – that’s a poverty finding. I wasn’t exactly holding Mississippi up as the model of health – just pointing out the problem with the shedding trope.

            Of course most outbreak in the USA comes from overseas – that’s what it means when you eliminate something from a country. Why are you assuming it’s someone from the Philippines coming in, in any case? It’s entirely possible for it to be someone having gone to Philippines for their holiday then caught measles abroad before returning home.

          3. Diet dee

            People are so quick to blame anti vaxxers for every outbreak but they will paint all side effects of vaccinations as anecdotal or just imaginary, despite the fact that government has a compensation program for vaccine injury since the 80s. What happens when you vaccinate the malnourished masses of Sudan and Mississippi? People get sick and die.

          4. Mike Stevens

            “What happens when you vaccinate the malnourished masses of Sudan and Mississippi? People get sick and die.”

            No, what happens is that they don’t get to die from infectious diseases.

          5. One other person is typing.

            1)Yes. Because it’s your fault.

            2)Nope. Strawman fallacy.

            3)You’re making either a Nirvana Fallacy or a False Cause fallacy – want a chance to restate?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c594bd68a2c815b5b496cc13575dc163962b860adcc0a7fa5b538fcf1fae5d6e.png

          6. Justthefacts

            No it’s not. Vaccines only sheds the “vaccine virus”. The vaccine virus doesn’t give you measles, it gives you immunity to the measles. You may accidentally get vaccinated.

            There is no wild virus in the vaccine. Get a grip.

          7. Justthefacts

            What is your point other than you don’t know how to read a medical paper? There was ZERO shedding.

          8. Diet dee

            Just vaccinated people transmitting the disease that they should be immune to. What would you

          9. Justthefacts

            Yes, It is very clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. That is not “Shedding”. Everyone knows that a few vaccinated people can still catch the disease exactly like the unvaccinated. So What?

            The vaccinated have much less a chance of catching the disease. That is what vaccination is about.

            Read a book.

        1. 5.1.1.2

          Mike Stevens

          You do realise that this is not a case of virus shedding and infecting another child, I hope?
          It is a case where after vaccination scientists were able to isolate vaccine virus from the throat of a child in 2010.
          The sole reason this single case was reported because this phenomenon is vanishingly rare.

          1. 5.1.1.2.1

            Justthefacts

            The measles shedding crap has always been entertaining. The only danger is that you may accidentally get vaccinated.

            I think its the accidental vaccination that scares anti-vaxxers the most.

          2. AutismDadd

            A nonsense post as usual

          3. Justthefacts

            A nonsense troll as usual. You never add anything

          4. AutismDadd

            I label posts. Yours are easy….nonsense

  4. 4

    Mike Stevens

    The Hippocratic oath is not usually taken by medical graduates – only some universities still use it. The usual “oath” is the Declaration of Geneva.
    http://www.wma.net/en/30public

    There are a number of versions of the Hippocratic oath. The original version is entirely unsuited to today’s medical ethics and clinical practice. The modern version states this:
    “I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.”

    This is entirely consistent with the stance of the physicians here, who wish their patients to be protected through vaccination.

    1. 4.1

      AutismDadd

      There’s a new oath ” First admit no harm” Call your lawyer.

  5. 3

    VikingAPRNCNP

    As long as they give them a chance to schedule vaccinations as part of a first wellness appointment I think this is a fair policy.

    1. 3.1

      AutismDadd

      First wellness? Some will never be well after that.

  6. 2

    Sonja Henie

    It’s a conundrum for pediatric providers. My former employer came close to refusing to take anit-vaxers, especially after Disney. However, Disney did provide impetus for some of them to actually get the MMR.

  7. 1

    Ken S.

    Good. If anti-vax parents want their children to be dangerous infectious weapons, it’s nice to know there are clinics where rational people’s children can be protected from them.

    1. 1.1

      One other person is typing.

      And I’m sure they want their kids protected from “vaccine shedding” as well. Win-Win, right?

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